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What's crrrrringe varies from person to person though Some people are kinda compulsive daydreamers- this is fine typically, and even people who say they have "maladaptive daydreaming" generally don't report it even being all that "maladaptive", they seem to enjoy and benefit from it and find it very meaningful and it doesn't cause them car accidents or anything sooo, /shrug Those are the people who also tend to go on epic hour long wonderland adventures
11:32 PM
If you AREN'T like that, and even just attempting to imagine dolphin riding on a moon made of sunshine and soda fountatins makes your blood boil a little, well, just, don't lol
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I think to help you better Fel I gotta ask, what you want a wonderland for?
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Yeah we've been talking about wonderlands and ignoring the tulpamancy part lel
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i just wanna watch the imaginary sunset on top of a giant magical airship flying over the endless, crystal-clear sea with a cup of android-friendly tea alternative
11:34 PM
and enjoying the moment with Mat
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Would he mind if you did it, even if he didn't get to interact that much with it? Maybe you could just have it and hang out around there a bit and he'd slowly get used to the idea and hang out more
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he just finds every fun cringe, thats it
11:37 PM
same with both cuteness and spookiness
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Try to convince him that not letting people do what they want to do, specially yourself, is even more immature than these things (edited)
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you mean immature?
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Imaturity isn't about following a set of rules it's about knowing when to be serious and when to be playful. Knowing when to be playful is part of being mature
11:39 PM
Oh whoops mb', english isn't my first language sorry haha
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The same stuff I told you applies to him
11:47 PM
If it's not his idea of fun, probably no one can convince him otherwise, same way I just don't like rollercoasters, other people just don't like rap music or opera or whatever
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Deleted User 2/5/2022 11:48 PM
Here's the problem
11:48 PM
I DO want to get get into that shit just for her. (edited)
11:49 PM
And even know how to do so because of my past experiences with it
11:51 PM
But after some years it just feels cringey AF
11:53 PM
Because of a bunch of systems i saw before
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Well, then it's just a matter of removing that association, no'?
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Deleted User 2/5/2022 11:55 PM
"uoooh ive been picking imaginary mushrooms with my 21376940666 years old dark edgy mommy dragon girl tulpa and it was fun"
11:55 PM
I hope that you get the point
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Yah', I do.
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Don't tell people online, easydo
11:55 PM
A lot of what feels and is called "cringe" is really just oversharing
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And you yourself said - you want to do it; it's just a matter of working on yourself to improve and manage to do it'
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Deleted User
"uoooh ive been picking imaginary mushrooms with my 21376940666 years old dark edgy mommy dragon girl tulpa and it was fun"
But bro
8:43 AM
That ain't you
8:43 AM
You know she's not like that, you're not like that
8:44 AM
So why give a fuck about that?
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Deleted User
I DO want to get get into that shit just for her. (edited)
Deleted User 2/6/2022 1:15 PM
the problem is you do something you don't want to for someone else, i hope you are not surprised you aren't enjoying it. think about how many times in life you had to (or even were forced to) do something that someone told you to do that you didn't want to, all that experience is putting your defenses up that make your tulpa ineffective in helping you. you have to work on it by yourself, another person or a tulpa can't do it for you. it's a solo work deep inside your heart (edited)
1:18 PM
cringe is a reaction to seeing a person do something you find embarassing. if you wonderlanding emberassing just don't do it. your tulpa might just have introjected expectations from of wonderlanding from other people that you find emberassing. you don't have to do it unless you feel it's right for you
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Aren't you disregarding Fel's feelings too much' Oki?
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Deleted User 2/6/2022 1:19 PM
isn't fel disregarding ytgr's feelings of cringe and pushing him too much? (edited)
1:20 PM
ytgr is causing a problem for himself for no reason
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I don't think it should be either just Fel's or just Ytgr's but a compromise between the 2, some middle ground
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Deleted User 2/6/2022 1:23 PM
if one person wants to do X but other person has a strong reaction of cringe to it, there is no 1/2X. in my opinion ytgr should first work on the reason why he finds it cringe and maybe then let fel have what she wants. right now it looks like a friend trying to drag into a party someone that doesn't want to leave their room. it's ineffective and just causes unnecessary problems more than that, i think people talking about taking care of fel's feelings about it will cause their brain find it harder to solve it. part of the brain (fel) will want to do it more because it will feel validated, while the other will not move towards doing it (edited)
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I do see ytgr working on the reason why as a compromise'; fair enough. I agree with you there.
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Deleted User 2/6/2022 1:25 PM
i am opposed to self inflicting problems where there aren't any, and this looks to me like a developed self inflicted problem
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Agreed
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JGC
My whole family slept in the same bed at points lol, just because of poor people shit/mild housing insecurity, I shared a bed for most of my childhood I get why it could be creepy if that wasn't the experience lol
Ah, the Charlie Bucket experience
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Pinka
I remember our wonderland. A floating island above the ocean, with a single tree covering most of its ground and a house inside the tree.
I'm still trying to work on my wonderland. Still not very good at visualizing for longer than a few minutes at a time. At least I've got it semi-consistent and I have Seb helping
4:44 PM
It's a nice mountain valley with a big river and lake (with a small island in the center)
4:46 PM
Seb was working on creating a nice Tudor style cottage by the lake
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Sebastian BOT 2/6/2022 4:46 PM
Still a difficult task for me since I'm working with the same brain as Maen
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ADHD is lame af
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Sebastian BOT 2/6/2022 4:47 PM
Indeed. It certainly doesn't make things easier.
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Damn'. But hey - visualization's a skill, and a easy one to train at that. I'm sure soon y'all be able to visualize it for as long as y'all want!
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I've gone through 3 iterations of wonderlands. The first was a large tropical sinkhole that had developed a micro ecosystem; a waterfall on one side, tons of fruit trees and a lot of light. My current one is a very modern home we all built together, every detail designed with intent <3
10:32 PM
Forcing there is fukkin amazing, and it feels great to be with them in a place that feels theirs as much as it feels mine
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progress info
11:07 AM
WE MADE IT
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11:07 AM
no more fear of cringeness while wondeelanding
11:10 AM
i was the one who created a new Wonderland place - a little tropical, oversaturated (color-wise) archipelago surrounded by a coral reef. And there was the airship from before - crashed.
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Ayy, that sounds awesome!
11:19 AM
Congrats ^^
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today am going to finally design my form
11:20 AM
cuz Mat seems to avoid that topic
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You don't have a set form yet?
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only partially.
11:22 AM
the overall shape, the idea of me being a robot and two sets of clothing.
11:22 AM
thats it so far
11:22 AM
That sounds dope
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ora?
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Weeb catchphrase, sorry xD
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I've got a robot as well in here
11:24 AM
Man, I really should get around to making an into post (edited)
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Flodos
Man, I really should get around to making an into post (edited)
A long kiss goodnight 2/7/2022 11:25 AM
Not required, I never made one
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Man, I really should get around to making an into post
@Flodos - jump ?
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Not required, but definitely intended
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Felicja
Man, I really should get around to making an into post
@Flodos - jump ?
Y'know, #introductions?
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/7/2022 11:30 AM
Actually now would be a really bad time to make an introduction for our system. If we made one now, it might expire in a few days
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another funny Discovery
11:38 AM
proxying helps me a lot with fronting and staying alive
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Ayyy nice Fel!
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Sebastian BOT 2/7/2022 8:14 PM
today am going to finally design my form
@Felicja (@Deleted User) - jump I still haven't really been able to focus on my form yet. All I really got is the long black hair, skin tone, and general build
8:16 PM
It turned out to be luck that Sebastian from Black Butler had a similar look (and the same name I already picked out)
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Sebastian
today am going to finally design my form
@Felicja (@Deleted User) - jump I still haven't really been able to focus on my form yet. All I really got is the long black hair, skin tone, and general build
heh! have fun defining your looks once you start doing so 😉
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Just don't fall into the one-set-of-clothings trap hah - Anna
8:28 PM
My headmates (well except Faz) are always really just rocking one outif - well they look good in them but ya know, not fashion enough. I'm the only one here who regularly changes it haha.
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Fazzie
Just don't fall into the one-set-of-clothings trap hah - Anna
literally me
8:29 PM
one set of clothing + tankktop shirt in case of warmer wonderland places (edited)
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Well, as long as ya' look well (which I don't doubt you do hah) in it there's no problem hah
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Cartoon characters wear the same outfit every day and you never hear any complaints about their sense of fashion xD
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A long kiss goodnight 2/8/2022 10:21 PM
Well... Yeah, it sucks, but there's not much else to do. The way I kinda handle is just, deal with things alone really. Not asking for much help or having a lot friends. As for in-system, there's nothing I wouldn't trust them to do; I trust them fully but if you ask me "Do you trust them?" (or anyone really) my mind snaps to "No" before I go "well they are my headmates and they know me better than everyone else n such so yes" rather than just, thinking "Yes".
I'm sorry to hear that, that sucks. We have in-system trust concerns as well, but I think we have them because we're a weird case. We have the authority to be what we wish, but I wonder if it's a lack of self-awareness of how we feel, our poor theory-of-mind, and possibly some other stuff like our anxiety that created this insecurity for us. Even though our in-system culture is far healthier than it was, there's more work we have to do
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Yeah, it sucks
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A long kiss goodnight
Well... Yeah, it sucks, but there's not much else to do. The way I kinda handle is just, deal with things alone really. Not asking for much help or having a lot friends. As for in-system, there's nothing I wouldn't trust them to do; I trust them fully but if you ask me "Do you trust them?" (or anyone really) my mind snaps to "No" before I go "well they are my headmates and they know me better than everyone else n such so yes" rather than just, thinking "Yes".
I'm sorry to hear that, that sucks. We have in-system trust concerns as well, but I think we have them because we're a weird case. We have the authority to be what we wish, but I wonder if it's a lack of self-awareness of how we feel, our poor theory-of-mind, and possibly some other stuff like our anxiety that created this insecurity for us. Even though our in-system culture is far healthier than it was, there's more work we have to do
Maybe it could be because there's so many tulpas in there you guys haven't taken the time to develop the bond necessary to trust eachother?
10:23 PM
In a "I don't really know you all that well" way
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A long kiss goodnight 2/8/2022 10:26 PM
Yes, and also... I accidentally violated Gray's trust twice. I was entertaining the possibility of yelling at his mom. The second time was very similar to the first time. It took us a little while to finally figure out that's what went wrong
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Are things well between you two?
10:26 PM
You and Gray, I mean'
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A long kiss goodnight 2/8/2022 10:30 PM
Yeah, we're fine now. Our mental health challenges can be weird
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/8/2022 10:34 PM
Even during that incident I was upset that I didn't trust her. I don't want to go into details on how that went down, I want to clarify it's complicated and even when stuff is weird it's not like our system devolves into a shit show or anything like that. Even when we did have rough patches, they have appeared a lot smoother than other systems we met
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That's good to hear, at least'
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F̵r̸a̷c̴t̶a̴l̷i̵s̷ 2/9/2022 10:21 PM
I have a totally serious question however I bet trolls have asked it with ill-intent before, so I don't mean any offense by this towards those whom this question would apply to. Why do so many tulpamancers make their tulpas anthropomorphic, and of this subset, why are a noticeably large number of them styled after My Little Pony characters?
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